FOX NEWS INTERVIEW WITH TIMOTHY CARDINAL DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK

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April 21, 2025

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TIMOTHY CARDINAL DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK

FOX NEWS INTERVIEW WITH TIMOTHY CARDINAL DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF

NEW YORK

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FOX NEWS INTERVIEW WITH TIMOTHY CARDINAL DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF

NEW YORK

APRIL 21, 2025

SPEAKERS:

TIMOTHY CARDINAL DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK

BRIAN KILMEADE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR

EMILY CAMPAGNO, FOX NEWS ANCHOR

CHARLES HURT, FOX NEWS ANCHOR

BRIAN KILMEADE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Joining us right now to react is Archbishop of New York, Timothy Cardinal Dolan.

And Cardinal, it's great to see you on Friday. We couldn't believe we had the quality time.

TIMOTHY CARDINAL DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK: Thank you. We were together on Good Friday. Emily, Charlie, thanks. Thanks for having me on. I feel like I'm with family here. We were together on Good Friday, that's right.

KILMEADE: And you were talking about the miraculous return of the president — excuse me, of the Pope after 38 days in the hospital, your — your reflection now.

DOLAN: Look, so I would have like a communal reflection with the rest of the world and especially with the Catholic family of sadness. We don't call him our Holy Father for nothing. He is the father of our family.

We use a beautiful term, a Latin term, "Sede vacante," the chair is empty, the chair of St. Peter. We got his chair in which he sat when he came to New York. It's in the sanctuary, empty, OK?

So communally, there's a sense of sadness. Personally, I feel a sense of loss because, I mean, I can't say I knew him extraordinarily well, but I was pretty close to him as being in the conclave that elected him and being with him dozens of times during his — his 12 years of pontificate. And he was extraordinarily sensitive.

I won't forget when he called me when my mom died, I won't forget when he called in the middle of COVID, just when COVID had started to say, how are things in New York? I won't forget when he called on October 7th and he said, how are the Jewish community in New York? Give them my love and solidarity.

I won't forget when he wrote a note to my brother-in-law who was dying of cancer. These are personal things that you think of and that make the grief more poignant, so.

EMILY COMPAGNO, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Cardinal, what is your message to the Catholic body today as they mourn the loss of footprints?

DOLAN: Well, look, I said this morning when I met with the press, you guys were there after my 7 a.m. mass. We can never choreograph the way we die. We're in the Lord's hands. If you could, this wasn't a bad way because the day after Easter, when the joy of the resurrection of Jesus is still ringing in our ears. This is and I think today, you know, in Italy, Emily, they call this "Lunedi dell'Angelo," the Monday of the angels, the day after Easter, because the angels who gave the message at the empty tomb.

And remember that the angel, one of the angels was kind of irritated at the holy women that came looking, looking for the body of Jesus. He said, what are you looking for the living among the dead for? So we believe he's still alive. OK, he's alive in through and with Jesus Christ.

And — and so it — it — it just sort of strengthens our faith in the resurrection. It strengthens our faith in the Passover, as our Jewish brothers and sisters will say, that he's only passing over from this life to the fullness of life. No, we don't take that for granted. He was an eloquent preacher of mercy, the mercy of God. So he's the first one that says, you make sure you pray that the Lord's mercy extends to me at the moment of my death. And we do that. We do that.

But we also pray with gratitude and we all also pray with utter confidence that he's that that the Lord gives his mercy and he's enjoying eternal reward, which he so richly deserves.

CHARLES HURT, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Truly, truly divine. Let's play a flashback to when he came to New York City.

DOLAN: I'm sure it's September 24th, 2015.

HURT: You remember it?

DOLAN: I do. I ever. Where were we?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DOLAN: Papa Francesco. Welcome to St. Patrick's Cathedral.

Once you entered those famous doors on Fifth Avenue, you became an official New Yorker. But you already had a home in our hearts and souls.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DOLAN: Fully received here and surprised at that. I was sharing some stories with Brian ahead of time. He'd never been to New York before. He'd never been to the United States before. So he was surprised. He was surprised by the vastness of New York. He'd be looking out. You know, I was sitting in the back of that Fiat with him with my knees up in my face. And he said, well, he's all these buildings. What are they? So the Holy Father, that's where all the people live. And then he was surprised at the enthusiastic welcome of the city.

He would be looking out of the Pope mobility turn and say, well, they love me. Like he was surprised. People have a caricature of the United States as being an agnostic country. Any visitor that comes here says, you're so religious here. And he was so exuberant over the enthusiasm of the embrace at this city.

KILMEADE: And he loved that the St. Patrick's in the middle of the city.

DOLAN: Thank you for my — so when we — so when we came to the front of St. Patrick's, he was waving to the press over Rockefeller Center. And so he then he turned to me and said, what are we stopping for? I said, because here's the Cathedral and he turned around. He said, but it's right in the middle of everything. I said, I wonder what you mean. Then I said, oh, most of the world, you know, the Cathedral is a little set off with the Piazza around it. And then he smiled and said, that's where it should be.

KILMEADE: And it's a right smack.

HURT: And that's a metaphor for the church. You got Emanuel.

DOLAN: Emanuel, God is with us.

HURT: In the middle of all —

DOLAN: Right.

HURT: — stupid people.

DOLAN: You got it right near the hot dog vendors. You know, there we are.

KILMEADE: Nobody better to talk to at this moment. Thanks so much. And I hope you're next Pope you have my vote.

DOLAN: She's drinking already.

(CROSSTALK)

COMPAGNO: Brian, not Cardinal.

KILMEADE: Thanks so much, Cardinal.

END